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Let's Talk - Slay the Spire

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08 Jul 2019 08:51 #299355 by Jexik
Although not as polished as Into the Breach, I feel that Slay the Spire is this year's Into the Breach, when it comes to "video games that are basically board games and you should totally check out." I've put some 90 hours into it so far, and a given run is 90 _minutes_ tops. The complexity is just right that it'd be a royal pain to actually play with cardboard, but not so crazy as to be too daunting to play.

Like Clank! and Thunderstone, this is an attempt to bring the dungeon crawl to the deckbuilding genre. Or vice versa. But it's much better at doing that. I don't want to spoil too much, but there are three classes, each with a fairly unique take on your standard Warrior/Rogue/ Sorceror trifecta that we saw with games like the original Diablo, because who wants to play a solo Cleric anyway?

You start with the Ironclad, this game's warrior. You start with a garbage deck, like the Estates and Coppers of old. Like Ascension, you can play multiple cards in a turn, but you're limited by an additional resource: energy. This replenishes every turn, and basically means you can play 3 actions per turn, until you get some cards that cost 0 or 2 energy to complete. (The Ironclad does start with one 2-coster actually, and the Silent starts with a 0). This core mechanic goes a long way towards making the design space more interesting and textured.

My favorite so far is the Defect, the take on the sorcerer. Once you get the hang of his subroutine, he (it?) is a lot of fun.
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09 Jul 2019 19:56 #299486 by trif
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Until I discovered City of Heroes had, kind of, sort of, returned - Slay the Spire was the one video game I was in danger of losing all my last minutes on Earth too.

I'll have to go back to it, but maybe with a timer handy (actually, my wife works just as well...)
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10 Jul 2019 03:45 #299496 by Matt Thrower
Slay the Spire > Into the Breach. The puzzling mechanic got old after a while, even with different teams. Slay the Spire is fearsomely addictive, with easily enough variety to keep it fresh on multiple runs.

I've poured about 20 hours into it so far and I'm almost scared to pick it up again because it's such a time thief. I thank the lord I've got the PC version rather than the more convenient Switch one.

It's also totally a board game in disguise. So much so I put it on this list:
www.strategygamer.com/articles/pc-board-games/
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10 Jul 2019 08:02 - 10 Jul 2019 08:05 #299500 by Jexik
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Matt Thrower wrote: Slay the Spire > Into the Breach. The puzzling mechanic got old after a while, even with different teams. Slay the Spire is fearsomely addictive, with easily enough variety to keep it fresh on multiple runs.


The achievement system and score tracking from Into the Breach gave it longevity for me. I eventually wanted to get perfect 30000 runs on hard with as many squads as I could. The level of control you get despite random spawns and enemy behavior was cool, despite being puzzly. Tactical games are also probably my favorite genre.

Some of the achievements in Slay the Spire just seem kind of random or impossible to get unless you devote a run to them. (I'm sitting at around 63% of them complete, with the remaining ones just being really hard). And I'm not sure if "more addictive" = "better." I'm not even gonna fight the more addictive point. It certainly has its hooks into me. Some of the "just one more run" comes from that randomness of the card draw. Your best run can be ended when that boss does his Hyper Beam, even if you know it's coming, just because that's the turn you get the bad draw.

I know that bad draws can be mitigated, because you can control what goes into your deck. Much like Dominion, the best advice I read online was that you don't HAVE to take a card each time you kill a monster if none of them gel well with what you're building. I also know now that each boss and elite has a set pattern to them- their attacks don't appear to be random at all. Many normals appear to have a set pattern too, but not all, some seem to have 2-3 options that they cycle through randomly.

Slay the Spire is certainly harder than Into the Breach, although I don't know if it's harder in a way that promotes continuous learning from your mistakes.
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14 Jan 2020 21:18 #306153 by Jexik
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They added a 4th character, the Watcher, to the PC version of Slay the Spire tonight. She's a monk, complete with stance changing. At first blush she seems pretty powerful, although kind of tricky.
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14 Jan 2020 21:37 #306154 by Gary Sax
I never got into this one. I think it's a smart move for them to trickle out a character once and awhile. The early access model makes it super hard to generate any buzz upon final release or thereafter, but big additions like this one might put it back in the discourse imo.
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14 Jan 2020 23:38 - 18 Jan 2020 14:10 #306156 by Jexik
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The new character is certainly entertaining.

There are two main stances-
Calm- Does nothing, except when you leave it, you gain 2 energy.
Wrath- 2x Damage taken and dealt from attacks

Obviously many cards care about which stance you're in when it comes to their effects. A number of cards also have "retain" on them meaning they stick in your hand until used, so this character is all about setting up long combo turns.

The only way to get out of the stances is to play a card that switches to the other, or play a few select cards that return you to neutral stance.

There's a 3rd stance called Divine which instantly gives you 3 energy and triples your damage until the end of the turn, at which point you automatically leave the stance. You enter it by gaining 10 Mantra, which certain skills add to you, most adding 2 or 3, but one Gold (rare) card adds 10 and makes you die the next turn (lol I love that card).

After 3-4 runs I got to the end of act 3 one time, getting the last boss down to 10 hp before dying... I had ice cream (retain unspent energy between turns) which went a long way towards making the whole combo thing work.
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15 Jan 2020 03:33 #306163 by mtagge
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I absolutely adore the game. The short burn time is probably it's best feature. Highly luck dependent at the higher difficulty levels.

I would have to say my favorite feature is the daily challenge where you get three modifiers to work with/work around.

Oh for anyone with the XBOX game pass (I got the sub at $1 for three months) they have both Slay the Spire and Into the Breach. Based on this thread I'mma give ItB a shot.

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15 Jan 2020 09:12 #306172 by Gary Sax
Into the Breach is an amazing game, I booted it up last night on a whim. It still works. We have a thread on it if you do a search, I believe.

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16 Jan 2020 14:36 #306280 by hotseatgames
I have played some Slay the Spire on the Xbox (it's on Gamepass) and it's pretty damn fun, I must say.

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18 Jan 2020 12:21 #306368 by Jexik
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Managed to get Amethyst+ this morning
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Something only .7% of players on Steam have done so far. Felt relatively easy compared to my runs that have a bunch of ascension on them. I got lucky at the start, replacing my starting class relic with the Runic Pyramid, which allows you to maintain your hand between turns. Again, that's helpful for sculpting your hand for big combo turns in the various stances.
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30 Jun 2020 15:35 #311535 by OhBollox
I love it to the same extent I'm bad at it. I've managed to ascend exactly twice, while my friends seem to be able to ascend reliably unless they're going for an outre build.

Ironclad I'm good with but only because of the 6HP auto heal, combined with Barricade, Entrench, Flame Barrier etc means it's the only character with an actual possible defensive build.

Silent I tend to do okay with because poison is a great effect to get around block, but ultimately is always too weak defensively and can't generate enough block against later enemies to survive for long.

Defect is really interesting, and is capable of some supremely powerful builds with extra orbs enhancing any powers you like and setting up a 'production line' of powers to constantly push through and give you block or damage enemies, but doesn't do it reliably enough to be consistent against later enemies. Seems like you can only be good on one axis.

Watcher is so far out of my level of competence it's not funny. Changing stances is obviously key, beyond that I haven't a clue.

I can't work out where I'm going wrong after dozens of hours. It can't be focussing entirely on defence and then sitting back and chipping away at the enemies, right? But you do want to thin your deck and get rid of strikes, right? If I had this on Switch I would probably never stop playing it regardless.
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30 Jun 2020 19:55 #311542 by Jexik
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My biggest piece of advice in these deck-building games (which you might be doing already), is to not always take a card. If none of the cards on offer work for your overall strategy, it's a waste of space and will bloat your deck from what it's supposed to do.

I also find it kind of interesting that you say the Ironclad is more defensive and the Silent is low on defense, because I feel like it's the opposite- the Ironclad tends towards attacking, Silent toward Skill cards,* and then the Defect towards the Power cards.

*At some point I read a Silent strategy guide that basically recommended getting only defense cards and using Noxious Fumes (poison everyone every turn Power card) as your win condition. That's a bit extreme, but it was informative and made me think more about deck construction.
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01 Jul 2020 03:15 #311552 by OhBollox

Jexik wrote: My biggest piece of advice in these deck-building games (which you might be doing already), is to not always take a card. If none of the cards on offer work for your overall strategy, it's a waste of space and will bloat your deck from what it's supposed to do.


This might be it. I always take a card.

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01 Jul 2020 07:18 #311555 by mtagge
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At least on early ascensions, with Ironclad I will remove a defend when the opportunity arises. With the other three, the removal order is curses then strikes. Always.

Now that it was released on iOS I have something to do for an upcoming 14 hour flight and mandatory day quarantine in a hotel room. After that I get two weeks in my residence. Hopefully this will be my sanity check on the flight. It's going to be a charter flight without entertainment. Ugh.

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